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brucegodlesky - Sun 12 Mar 2017 12:19:51 #0


Sandpile, I've seen the setup at Queen Cutlery that does the shield cutouts. Pretty neat deal there. They have all sorts of shield/emblem patterns. I bet I could figger out a cutting tool for my machine to do the same.

Joe Rollings - Wed 15 Mar 2017 10:30:53 #0

Pantograph patterns

You can make good ones by cutting them out with a jeweler's saw, then a bit of filing for precision.....Joe

bruce godlesky - Wed 15 Mar 2017 11:09:21 #0

good idea Joe! Thanks.
For all those folks snowed in.... it won't last for long:-)
I've never had this much snow in my 3 sided forge shop. Kinda looks lioke someone broke open a coupla down pillows and turnt the fan on hehehe

Buck Brown - Fri 17 Mar 2017 10:12:58 #0

Happy St. Patrick's Day to all!

Joe Rollings - Fri 17 Mar 2017 12:19:45 #0

Happy st. pat's day!

I don't own any green clothes, so every year I stop brushing my teeth on March 5th, and by the 17th, THEY are green...... :) ....Joe

Chuck - Sat 18 Mar 2017 21:44:11 #0

Belated best wishes to the Irish and the not so ir

I was going to say something several days ago. It seems that I am getting forgetful.
I hope everyone had a good week-end, stayed safe and sober if driving.

I have written two posts and deleted them.
God Bless Everyone

bruce godlesky - Thu 23 Mar 2017 06:48:30 #0


Finally back in the shop today after a coupla months off.
Welded up a billet from wrought, 15n20, 1080+ and 1095 for a customer. he wanted a pattern welded billet with part of the home farm in it . So I took a coupler off a gas well /sucker rod and worked it down. It wa svery high grade wrought. Should make for a nice pattern.
Felt good to feel the thump thump thump of the Fairbanks!!!

Buck Brown - Thu 23 Mar 2017 11:10:03 #0


Bruce....glad to hear you're back at it! I need to do the same. Haven't had a fire in the forge for some time now.

I'm wanting to make some small tools for the wood lathe. I have a bunch of garage door springs and thought they would work fine. The problem I have is I don't have a clue as to what the steel is and so until I find out I don't know how to heat treat it. Anybody know what the steel is or how to heat treat it?

bruce godlesky - Thu 23 Mar 2017 11:53:17 #0

Buck, most coil springs are either 5160 or one of the 10xx series. That small of profile (garage door spring) you can get by with taking them to non-magnetic, count to 10 then oil quench.
You could flatten a coupla pieces and take to several different temps , quench then brea to see how fine the grain is.

Buck Brown - Fri 24 Mar 2017 10:01:14 #0

Thanks Bruce! That's what I'll do. Then I'll know what is best for each application.

John Odom - Fri 24 Mar 2017 21:50:15 #0

A good day.

I got up at 7 and fiddled around the house a while and finally headed to town about 9:30.
While I was in town I stopped by a refractory contractor to learn about some of the newer products. I have been thinking about making a different propane forge because the cylindrical one I have is very limited and can effectively only handle linear forgings.
I showed the gentleman pictures of the bed and some other projects and explained that I was thinking about a differently shaped forge. He said, instead of talking about lets go out and look at some products. After discussing the merits and available sizes of each, I thanked him and said I would need prices on certain ones. He replied "You are eligible for the nice guy discount." and told the warehouse man "Open the big door and load his truck when he gets it in here." I was GIVEN a pickup load of 3000 degree and 2800 degree insulating panels and bricks both hard and soft. Plus mortar and coating in 3 gallon buckets.
I did not ask for a gift. I believe in miracles. I have enough refractory to build a new forge and to repair the one at The Southern Adventist University blacksmith club's shop.
If you read my personal post yesterday you know that My shop is packed and I have no room to store anything. I backed my truck up to the shop door and discovered 2 lower bays on my supplies shelving, each with only empty boxes! Each bay was 2' X 4'. I got all the refractory except the mortar buckets in those and stacked those buckets in a corner.
Now I have to design the forge! I want one that can be open on 3 sides. I have enough refractory to build a forge much larger than I can afford to heat so I need to carefully think out the design,
Then I went to BK on Amnicola for lunch and on to TVRM and the forge. They Were pressure washing 630 and doing brake inspections on passenger coaches.
At the forge I used the Clay Spencer tire hammer on on a piece of 1 1/4" round stainless steel bar. It did quickly what would have required days for me to do by hand.
Then I came home and rested until supper. We had the fake chicken soup. The manufacturer of the fake chicken was bought out and the formula changed. The old formulation tasted better.
After a short rest I went to the Southern Smiths meeting at SAU. We planned the repair of their forges. If we had had to buy the refractory for that it would have costs hundreds for that alone! The young fellows also did a piece of heavy forging for me. They can swing a sledge with much more authority than I. This particularly is not really power hammer friendly. I will finish the piece at the Choo Choo Forge power hammer.
The work clothes are in the washer, and as soon as I finish this I will get in the shower.
I am dead tired and bed will feel SO good!
This was a VERY good day!

Joe Rollings - Sat 25 Mar 2017 22:19:00 #0

congratulation, John

I, too believe in miracles, but always chuckle when one comes along. You see a miracle when somebody gives you a load of material, whereas somebody else would be fretting about who stole all of the stuff that was formerly in those now-empty boxes that were on the shelf.

In spite of the miracles that surround us, there is always an escape route for those who choose not to believe in them....Joe

John Odom - Wed 29 Mar 2017 17:21:15 #0


Some choose not to believe.

Darrell - Wed 29 Mar 2017 23:05:33 #0


I believe in them. I see them happening almost every day. For one thing I'm still alive.

Alex Ivey - Fri 31 Mar 2017 14:50:27 #0

NMABA meeting

NMABA meeting tomorrow. Location is on the website, can be accessed from the ABANA affiliates list. Blacksmiths on this forum invited if you happan to be passing through the Albuquerque area. I posted a photo of my iron in the hat item. John congratulation on your pick with the refractory contractor. LXIV,

Alex Ivey - Sun 02 Apr 2017 00:34:54 #0

Chapter Meeting

Very good NMABA meeting today, 2 excellent demonstraters, cold and rain much of the day but didn't dampen our spirit. Did have a couple of guys show that I think that may have seen my invite post but did not confirm since they had left before I was informed of their presence. If you attendence resulted from seeing my post please kick a post back at me and let me know. I was pleased at the interest shown in my the INTH contribution. Hope the weather front that passed through here today is easy on you guys further east. LXIV,

Jim Keith - Sun 02 Apr 2017 10:36:44 #0


Great to hear that what was SWABA has been resurrected. I've not been able to connect with any of the old group.
In our parallel universe over here on the East side we too attended an excellent demonstration over in Amarillo, TX. The two great demonstrators provided an excellent couple of days of refuge from the weather.
If any of the NMABA or others are so inclined we are having an exciting demo/competition of blacksmithing involving as many aspects of the art that we can get represented here. It's all free to watch and everyone is welcome.
Not sure if plugs for events are welcome on this forum but if you have any interest in attending, let me know and we'll figure out away to get you the onfo. Thanks,
Jim Keith
Rawhide Days, Blacksmith chairman

Chuck - Sun 02 Apr 2017 14:46:16 #0


The demos for the hammer-in at Welldshod, in Amarillo, Tx was a great gathering. Tom Willoughby of IND. Roy Bloom of WI. put on good demos. Jim Poor from Midland, TX. was called up from the audience to make a nice hoof knife from a spike.
Lots of interest in the artistic blacksmith. Different tools and how to make, use them was demonstrated.
'Tucumcari Rawhide Days' has a nice brochure made up. Maybe it could be posted on here.

Darrell - Sun 02 Apr 2017 16:43:14 #0


Anything blacksmith is always welcome on this site.

Alex Ivey - Sun 02 Apr 2017 20:33:00 #0

Rawhide Day's

Jim Keith, I would be interested in attending if it fits in my schedule and I'm sure other NMABA members might as well. If you can get me the information I can have it posted on the NMABA website if it's ok. Would be great to see you again since I believe I saw you last at an earlier ABANA conf., Lacross or maybe Kentucky??. Might also get to meet chuck in person. Thanks. LXIV,

Jim Keith - Sun 02 Apr 2017 21:28:49 #0

Blacksmith Demo/contest

Just now posted a photo of a forging from last year (sorry about the orientation) with a link to the event page. Hope you can make it Alex, if you can get it on the NMABA site that would be great!

Darrell - Mon 03 Apr 2017 14:03:37 #0

Broken link

The link is broken, at least it doesn't work here.

Jim Keith - Mon 03 Apr 2017 14:22:52 #0

Broken link

it worked by copy and paste just now. Will try to get a better link after I get through scratching my head. Thanks!

Darrell - Tue 04 Apr 2017 00:00:57 #0

Broken link

Jim, maybe its becauase I'm in Hawaii. All I get is Hawaiian events.

Jim Keith - Tue 04 Apr 2017 00:21:55 #0

Broken link

I'd like to be in Hawaii!

This site won't give as much info but it should work.

Alex Ivey - Tue 04 Apr 2017 00:25:36 #0

Jim Keith

I did a search for Tucumcari Rawhide Days and found the info. I'll get it to our web tender and have the link with a brief on what's happening with the smithing events posted on the site. LXIV,

Jim Keith - Tue 04 Apr 2017 09:45:45 #0

Rawhide days most versatile blacksmith

I know that a lot of you certainly would qualify for that title, but if you don't compete, then come watch some very good smiths doing their best work as they pursue that quest. No charge to watch and there will be lot of other activities for you and the family to see.
Thanks Alex for posting on the NMABA site!

bruce godlesky - Tue 11 Apr 2017 10:17:03 #0


whats everyones preference for hammer and press dies? S7, 4140, H13, mild steel.........
I'm tearin' up the H13 flat dies on my 24 ton press.

plain ol Bill - Tue 11 Apr 2017 18:41:52 #0


Bruce my press had a six inch cylinder on it and I just used A36 for all my dies. Never had a problem really. Did have to re-make my flat dies after 3-4 years of Damascus work.

bruce godlesky - Wed 12 Apr 2017 07:52:55 #0


Bill, I'm rounding off the edges. When I built these , I didn't heat treat them.
Thought I might surface grind 'em then do a quick HT and see how it turns out.Any idea what Kayne uses for his tooling? I took a set of bottom fullers, cut off the stakes and welded them to plates . Quick and dirty cable welding :-)

plain ol Bill - Thu 13 Apr 2017 17:49:53 #0


Bruce my flat dies were made of 3x6x1 A36 flat bar. I rounded off all edges so they did not print on a billet. My normal billet was 31 pcs of 1/8 x 1 x 6 tack welded together. First weld was using the long length of the dies to weld and then from the side to draw.

Darrell - Sun 16 Apr 2017 13:17:30 #0

Happy Easter

Have a blessed day and a blessed year.

Chuck - Sun 16 Apr 2017 15:22:09 #0


Everyone have a beautiful, peaceful Easter.
God bless All

Chuck - Wed 19 Apr 2017 22:52:43 #0


Everybody survive the Easter week-end?
Sure quiet around here.
Where is THOMAS POWER these days?
JOHN LARSON still kicking--making hammers?
JOE you been getting the rain down there?

Darrell - Thu 20 Apr 2017 00:54:34 #0


John Larson is on FaceBook quite a bit but I don't think he is making hammers
anymore. He seems to be into cars now.

I am slowly gathering parts to build a knife grinder. A 2x72. I sure miss my milling machine
but there is almost no chance of getting one here on the Big Island of Hawaii. Shipping is way to expensive.

bruce godlesky - Thu 20 Apr 2017 06:44:52 #0

Easter survival

(BOG) Always an enjoyable day!
Eat too much Ham, pickled beets and eggs , mac salad w/ramps.
One day I try to stay outta the shop.

What parts are you needing Darrell??

Darrell - Thu 20 Apr 2017 13:25:23 #0


The last of the parts for the knife grinder just came. Now all I have to do is
spend some time in the shop putting it together. Still running a little slow.

Chuck - Thu 20 Apr 2017 22:03:09 #0

Knife -grinding

I have been loafing along making shorter bladed knives.
I now am going to make a few cutting edge 9" to 12" blades. Going to have to rig up the platen on the Bader.
My Bader seems a little weak hearted---never have figured which way it is wired. I bought it second hand fifteen years ago.
I have a nine inch flat disc grinder, a 2X72" belt grinder with an eight" wheel.
The Bader has been loafing all this time.

Watching the "Swamp People" on the History channel.

Darrel, I hope you are feeling some better everyday.
God bless

Loren T - Fri 21 Apr 2017 06:51:43 #0


20 some years ago I picked up a job needing around 350 pickets with a special twist. I priced them out from Indital and they were $7-$8 each. Making my own twister seemed prudent. I had made one a couple times previously, and now had a gear reduction box 80 or 90 to 1. I bought a brand new 1 hp Leeson motor and rigged it up. Not enough power to twist. So...I added a jack shaft to further gear it down. No Luck! FINALLY...I checked the wiring. It was wired for 220 and I was running it on 110. A simple wire swap and I could put 9 turns in a foot before it sheared off. Live and Learn!

John Odom - Fri 21 Apr 2017 14:22:04 #0

John Larson Iron Kiss

John has closed down Iron kiss and sold his machinery. He said he wanted to close out while ha could still do things he has always wanted to. He says he was making money with Iron Kiss and had a big backlog of people who wanted to order. He IS on Facebook.

Chuck - Fri 21 Apr 2017 15:29:34 #0


LOREN T--I think that might be the problem on mine. I have a Grandson that can --NOW-- check this out. I will se when he will do that.
Beautiful day here today. Had abut .30 of rain and Pea size hail. Breeze, with 51 temp.
Planted another Blackberry---Will plant a 'Blue Berry' if it looks like it won't frost.
Life is great.

Joe Rollings - Sat 22 Apr 2017 11:30:47 #0

Up and around again

Been kind of getting my butt kicked for a few months, healthwise, but slowly working out of it. Back troubles, ear troubles, heart rythm problems, wrong med problems causing psoriasis flare, but either I'm getting better or learning to live with it or a combination.

I'm also setting up a new belt grinder. Considering an old 1HP motor for it, but don't know if that is enough spunk for a 2X72.

I also had a motor that was wired for 220 and running on 110 for a while, but I lucked out when the wires inside the box broke and I got tipped off when I went in to repair them.

Chuck, you have mentioned that disc grinder before. Are you using it to flat=grind blades? Are you using the glue-on discs or the loose ones? I have about everything I need to build one of those, too, while I am building, and the other machine I'm pretty intent on building is a pheumatic sander for knife handles. Nothing on this earth will finish a handle quicker or better than that small diameter pheumatic head mounted on a couple of pillow blocks.

I had all of this stuff until I sold out a couple of years ago, but got involved in other stuff and didn't get it replaced.

Yep, we got a fair amount of rain and the wild poppies are all over the place again. Still too cold at night for them to REALLY taker over like they do sometimes, but maybe in a few weeks they will.....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Sat 22 Apr 2017 12:45:20 #0

disc sanders

I have a pair of 12" disc sanders and nothing deburrs, profiles or provides as much abrasive power the dollar as a 12" disc. Mine are pressure sensitive adhesive. I have 2 so I can set up with more than one grit and will soon add a third I think. I currently run a 36 grit zirconium oxide and a 120 grit aluminum oxide. I will add the third and probably use it with a 60 grit zirconium oxide. I go for the Y weight backed discs on the bigger grits they hold up better and are water proof.

Joe Rollings - Sat 22 Apr 2017 22:20:45 #0

Very cool, thanks

and how fast do you run them, at what HP?....again, thanks.....Joe

Jeff Reinhardt - Sun 23 Apr 2017 07:28:02 #0

disc sanders

Joe both or my disc sanders are factory made and both run 3450 rpm. One is a Harbor fright and claims 3/4 Hp. the other is a many years old AMD and also claims 3/4Hp. The HF is running the 36 grit, and I have been hogging profiles and so forth on it for maybe 5 years. The bearings are starting to make a little more noise then when new but runs smooth. The AMD is still smooth and runs great. I have maybe 20 years on that one.
I would go to a 1 hp minimum if building at home and would only consider a TEFC type motor.

The zirconium Oxide abrasives are for hogging as you make new sharp edges when hogging in this grit and they load up is not aggressively hogged.

Bert - Sun 23 Apr 2017 12:02:38 #0

Back to Hammer Die Questions

Anybody ever use RR track for them? Is it worth trying or is it a dumb question?


plain ol Bill - Mon 24 Apr 2017 00:52:06 #0

rr track

Bert on the first hammer I made I used main line track for the dies and they were my favorite set. Cut them off right under the rail and welded to flat bar to bolt down. Nice crown so you could draw well and flatten well using short bites.

Chuck - Mon 24 Apr 2017 01:44:53 #0


JOE I use a nine inch disc.
I buy the sheets on the internet but prefer to buy from 'TRUE GRIT' in Calif. good people. Primary flat grind grit is 40. I go up in grit as the blade comes around. I finish grind at 800 to 1,200 with a light buff. Lots of work most folks won't do.
I use a 0ne HP reversing motor on the disc----It came out of an evaporative air conditioner 1,170 RPM?. It will grind to beat hell. I use a spray on adhesive when it is needed---heat gun to get the disc to peel off.
Like JEFF--I think I would either get a 2 horse or gear the fast motor down for more power for 2X72 belt grinder. 3,300 direct drive is fast for a belt.

I hollow grind against an eight inch wheel on a 2X72---freehand with a notched stick to hold the blade steady against the wheel--same stick on the flat grind on the disc--
Primary handle work on the disc and finish handle work on a slack belt 2X72 in a 320 grit.
Good night
God Bless

Bert - Mon 24 Apr 2017 10:35:15 #0


Bill. I was figuring to have to cut the track off and weld, track is nearly 8" tall... The Tillamook Line is replacing a crossing near my house and with the help of the crew, a couple short pieces found their way into my truck while I was waiting on the flag people to cross.. Figured it had to be hard enough to use for something...


Chuck - Mon 24 Apr 2017 15:02:48 #0


BERT--Railroad iron top and bottom on my home made power hammer.
Been working good for a lot of years.
There is a nice spot that has gradually smoothed down. The rest of it still draws pretty good.

Joe Rollings - Mon 24 Apr 2017 22:34:06 #0

An answer and a question

Of course, nobody asked a question that matched the answer I have except me, but somebody else might need it some time so I'll rattle it off.

Blew a capacitor on one of the motors I'm going to be using on the grinders, and couldn't find any numbers on it, so went looking for a formula to calculate the UF for the capacitor.

Learned that the formula is 2650 times the full load amps of the motor, divided by the line voltage. Need to order one with at least 1 1/2 times the voltage it will be running off of.

Thus, my 12 amp 120 volt motor needed a 265 UF capacitor, aproximately. I found one that was rated for 250 volts, and it worked like a house afire.

As to the question, for those who use disc grinders, do you find yourselves facing the face of the disc when you are grinding or the edge? Ot both?

If it is the edge, because I intend to make my own steel discs, I can make two, one facing the left, the other facing the right, and do both sides of a knife with the disc turning the correct way. If it is the face, I will need to be aqble to reverse the disc and work from the front.....Thanks in advance.....Joe




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